1<teratorn> as a general rule, you should never associate popularity with correctness 2% 3<dopey> fd0: what in particular about the environment is significant ? 4<fd0> dopey: some env-variables 5% 6<blanu> glyph: Itamar says I need a shell account on pyramid. I forgot why. 7<glyph> blanu: You do! For cabal research. 8<glyph> I MEAN CVS ACCESS NOT cabal research there are no blood sacrifices 9<blanu> Yes, yes exactly. 10* Acapnotic puts magnetic blood boy back in the closet. 11% 12<PenguinOfDoom> Bah. 13<PenguinOfDoom> People still say "Linux Redhat 8"? 14<PenguinOfDoom> It's "Linux version 8", damnit. 15% 16* itamar wonders if the phrase "evil spawned in dark aeons beyond the ken of man" should go in a price proposal for a project 17<moshez> depends. 18<moshez> if it's a proposal to Satan, yes. 19<moshez> also, how much would it cost? 20<moshez> is it, like, a big chunk of the price? 21<moshez> if so, possibly a more expansive description is in order. 22<moshez> like, where exactly the evil was spawned. 23% 24<moshez> "Hi, we use bit arithmetic on doubles, becuase we're really 25 stupid. We deserve what we get for programming Perl. Do you 26 have a position for us FLIPPING BURGERS?" 27% 28<radix> where the heck did caps-day come from, anyway? 29<JDAHLIN> It's something we often celebrate here in South America 30<JDAHLIN> Very traditional. 31% 32<radix> man 33<radix> I'm getting drinker's-elbows 34% 35* moshez sees the orbital lasers adjusting 36* ameoba puts on a _REALLY_ shiny tinfoil hat 37<moshez> ameoba: I'm afraid that's another myth 38<moshez> the tinfoil hats actually help us aim the lasers 39<dash> ameoba: they suppressed the laser-dispelling tinfoil in 1953 40% 41"Perl is like a normal chainsaw, but it's inflammable." 42 -- Prior-Art-O-Matic (http://thesurrealist.co.uk/priorart.cgi?ref=Perl) 43% 44<ameoba> READ THE FAQ@!#@ THAT"S NOT A MINIMAL EXAMPLERING@# 45% 46<rc> Yosomono: I was only kidding when I said, "Fuck you." 47<Yosomono> rc: Dude. Water. Bridge. Beneathage. 48% 49<Pahan> demoscene? Isn't that some Greek philosopher? 50% 51<glyph> I'm at MIT. I'm walking down the infinite corridor, and towards the 52end they have a small lab, which looks strangely like the MJ12 Level 2 labs 53in DX. In the lab are a bunch of display screens. 54<glyph> The lab has a placard next to it that says "nanotechnology center" 55<glyph> Soon as I look up at the monitor, it switches to a slide that says 56"nano-indentation". 57<glyph> I'm not kidding. 58<glyph> they are engineering the whitespace eating nanovirus _right here_ 59% 60<exarkun> this server rebooted, now freshcvs is raising exceptions, the webserver doesn't run, and mailman's permission 61wrapper refuses to acknowledge setuid bits 62<exarkun> It's enough to make a guy buy a rifle and start shooting people. 63<glyph> exarkun: what kind of rifle 64% 65<jml> anyway, wasn't bruce_ writing a C implementation of spread? 66* jml decides to write a C++ one just to piss dash off 67<dash> jml: that wouldn't piss me off 68<dash> jml: that's like trying to annoy an eye surgeon by stabbing yourself in 69 the face with a pencil 70% 71<exarkun> ThreeSeas: Thanks for playing. BTW, I whipped up an autocoder last night, but it went on strike.. said it wanted a better contract. 72% 73<pht> hi, does python do threads? 74<MoonFallen> we need a dash hand-puppet to answer this question when he's not around 75% 76<ameoba> WHO WAS GENERAL TSO AND WHY ARE WE EATING HIS CHICKEN? 77<dash> ameoba: because it is SPICY. 78% 79<jml> C++ templates, a bad idea ruined by bad implementation. 80% 81<glyph> IT IS BECAUSE I AM A GENIUS!! 82% 83<mindlace> so g-d parses xhtml. Mysterious ways, I guess. 84<radix> no, microdom parsers xhtml 85<radix> g-d munges it :) 86% 87<Mifune> that is one benefit of being "god" on this project... I am my own clusterfuck 88% 89[this conversation took place at 7:16 AM, and both participants knew they had 90 clearly been awake for the previous 12 hours or so... -ed] 91<glyph> So, your schedule in space again too? 92<dash> schedule? 93<dash> my _brain_ is in space 94% 95<radix> mozilla runs on macosx, right? 96<glyph> radix: yes. 97<glyph> radix: but it's slooooooowwwwww 98<fzZzy> It's not too bad on my 933 with 1.25 gb of ram 99% 100<xyld> Java is like being naked, covered in vaseline and beaten with sticks -- I respect that some people like that kind of thing, but I'll pass :) 101% 102<jml> quoth the _moshez: Here is .lore 103% 104<fzZzy> pyn: suck it 105<pyn> An error occurred: 106<pyn> suck 107% 108<blanu> When I mentioned Twisted, Guido said it had been suffering from the 109 problem where you look at it and you can't tell what it is, but that he 110 thinks that has gotten much better lately. I then told him much praise for 111 the responsiveness and hardcore attitude of the Twisted developers. 112<radix> HARDCORE YO 113 * radix headbangs 114 * radix goes to wash dishes 115% 116<ry> twisted_ (twisted@krs-dhcp351.studby.uio.no) joined on efnet 117<Erwin> It's become SENTIENT! 118% 119[discussing Woven... -ed] 120<glyph> dmerrill: We're still working out the best way to approach this philosophpically ;) 121<spiv> "philoso*php*ically"? 122<glyph> spiv: that was the weirdest freudian slip of my life 123% 124<datazone> play that funky music dash boy 125* dash is playing that funky music right. 126% 127<ameoba> radix: I think "+q? :)" is an ETC macro... 128<ameoba> radix: it's used alot in quantum computing. 129<ameoba> "try all values, destroy universe if false" 130<ameoba> useful for that O(1) execution speed, unfortunately, it could be REALLY BAD if your evaluation function's buggy 131% 132<cluster> hehe I haven't had a decent night of sleep since I discovered twisted :) 133% 134<z3p> itamar: you can /never/ have too many monkeys 135% 136<moshez> jafo: going to give a talk today. 137<moshez> jafo: "Smooth Structure of Orbifolds" 138<dash> moshez: if i ever write an RPG, i'm going to make one of the monsters be an orbifold 139<dash> "The orbifold hits! The orbifold hits! You die..." 140% 141<radix> A Sparrow claws your face right off! 142<radix> You are dead! Sorry... 143<radix> [Info] Radix has been slain by A Sparrow!! 144<radix> The gods have mercy on your inexperienced soul. 145<radix> <1hp 103m 86mv> 146<radix> 1hp! 147<radix> no restore! 148% 149<red_one> sayke: what would happen if everyone voted consciencously? 150<sayke> red_one: what would happen if everyone beat their swords into plowshares? 151<dash> sayke: PLOWSHARE FIGHT 152% 153* vegai wears his reading bra. 154<vegai> umm, I mean glasses 155% 156(searching for "god" on Google returns http://phpnuke.org) 157<itamar> something is screwed up with google... 158<LotR> itamar: no, that's god's little joke on google 159% 160<datazone> but the real question is: "do you get to beat victims to death with a steal dildo while wearing a bugs bunny outfit?" 161% 162<exarkun> I'm gonna preempt them by mailing the list and asking what people think is wrong with it 163<Acapnotic> exarkun: will you make that a multiple choice question? 164<exarkun> Acapnotic: YES! A) IT IS TOO GOOD B) IT IS TOO GOOD C) EXARKUN IS TOO SEXY, I WANT TO HAVE HIS CHILDREN D) ALL OF THE ABOVE 165<Acapnotic> > Dear exarkum, i would like very much to use ur smtp client programme but you are too sexy and i want to have many children by you. only problem is that i am currently a man and it will take time to change for you. 166<Acapnotic> > I will understand if you do not wait for me, but i will look forward to the times we are together 167% 168<moshez> spiv: what's the date there? 169<spiv> moshez: Oct 2. 170<spiv> Admittedly we're in daylight savings, but we're also not right on the international date line :) 171<moshez> maybe Nov 2... 172<spiv> Er, Nov 2, yeah :) 173* spiv tries to act innocent, like he doesn't have a time machine 174% 175<radix> glyph needs more friends that can break into his house 176% 177<moshez> itamar: when they have an action figure of me, it will come with a squishing action 178% 179<itamar> so it's, kinda, "heh-inducing episodes occured in conjunction with 180 your girlfriend" 181% 182<jml> dash: well, I might have done something really stupid. Like embed perl code into the example by accident. 183<dash> jml: well, there's stupidity, and willful stupidity 184<jml> dash: and then there's university 185% 186<sjj> hah, they've introduced Vanilla Coke down there as well, eh? ;) 187<jml> sjj: yeah, we're really up to do. Soon, a real "burger chain" 188from the United States is gonna come here. They call themselves, 189Mac-something-or-other. :) 190% 191<glyph> that's AWESOME 192<itamar> wasn't it your idea? 193<glyph> itamar: If it was, I'm a genius 194% 195<Kengur> why cant python b compiled to native bitecode? 196<Erwin> Python IS compiled to bitecode on the Transmeta Muffin 197<inapt> what's native bitecode? 198<inapt> a sekrit language of snakes? 199% 200<icepick> go vote! 201<arma> for the shmuck, or the other shmuck? 202% 203<jml> dash: given the number of places you can stick const, "where the sun don't shine" is probably the best 204 -- jml explains good C++ style 205% 206<itamar> kill him 207<itamar> before he reproduces 208<anonymous> itamar: slightly more tact is called for 209<exarkun> Tact won't solve any problems an aluminum baseball bat won't solve faster. 210<anonymous> can't get to him - no budget money for ticket 211<anonymous> any excess budget money will go toward lucky professor #0 getting whacked. 212<anonymous> I got in trouble, because the first draft of the budget had the official "slop" line item marked as "Dr XXXXXXX hitman fund." 213<anonymous> noone disagreed, mind you - they just didn't want it officially in the budget. 214% 215<Cheez> OMG, the economy is so bad that people are willing to work in tennessee??!? 216% 217<jafo> I finally got through the Internet, but the end guy is REALLY hard. 218% 219<bram> http://advogato.org/person/Bram/diary.html?start=40 220<raph> if i were to click that link, it would: pop up a progress window; print cryptic messages about launching konq to stdout; make the kirc window small and unresponsive; and crash the gnome panel 221% 222<moshez> glyph: do you think programming requires thinking? 223<glyph> moshez: No! That is why we can automate it with robot monkeys, and we programmers must fight to earn our meager living while we are being crowded out by machines. 224% 225<saph> i'd rather have a non-robot monkey, for they are squishier and have hair 226% 227<drue> fermats last theorem is very simple, it's the proof that's a bugbear 228<raph> actually, i have a simple proof, but it's too small for me to type into irc 229% 230<exarkun> INEFFICIENT CAPITALIST YOUR OPULENT TOILET WILL BE YOUR UNDOING 231% 232<dash> it's quicker to ask python than us :) 233<MoonFallen> dash speaks words of wisdom 234<MoonFallen> it is quicker 235<MoonFallen> it's not always useful, though 236<MoonFallen> for example, last week i wanted to know a good brand of barbecue sauce. i tried asking python 237<MoonFallen> it quickly gave me my answer: SyntaxError 238<dash> MoonFallen: we dont buy any other brand 239<MoonFallen> i knew i should have looked for it at Whole Foods instead 240% 241<jml> <saph> it is easy to get a date 242<jml> <jml> saph: that's easy for you to say 243<jml> <saph> you just have to be brave and have little or no standards 244* jml fucks his clipboard 245% 246<Tenshihan> if I had a binary number 1001001 and I wanted to count the 247number of 1's in it... and the only math function I have is add, should 248I shoot my professor? 249% 250<MoonFallen> or maybe just pay his army to surrender. it would cost less than 251shipping 250,000 troops over there, i'll bet you. 252<MoonFallen> the oil companies would probably chip in too 253<MoonFallen> we could get everyone involved. like sponsoring a starving child 254in africa. except you're sponsoring an iraqi to surrender 255<MoonFallen> i wonder if we could get them to write their sponsors letters. 256"thank you for not blowing me up. thanks to your generous donation of 1 million 257dollars, instead of being dead, i am now an oil magnate in my native country." 258% 259<datazone> you're a towel 260<exarkun> a towel of IMMENSE POWER, yes. 261% 262<moshez> wow 263<moshez> I don't see how people didn't think of this before 264<moshez> if you're in competition with some windows user, just report him to the bsa 265% 266<jml> damn you all. damn you and your witty repartee and your elegant bloody framework. I'm going to sleep. 267% 268<jml> here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they make me do XML 269% 270* glyph thinks x++ should have been named "<xml type="programming"> 271 <increment /> <increment> </xml>" 272% 273<raph> i was going to publish a spec for bitmap images much along similar lines as BLOAT 274<raph> ie, <pixel><color><component name="red" value="34"/> ... 275<raph> now here is the evil thought 276<raph> do up an XLST stylesheet to render it as a huge html table with cell backgrounds for each pixel 277<raph> so you can view it in mozilla 278% 279<aum> dash: do we have a 'non-profanity' chan policy here? 280<dash> aum: we have a "not acting lame" policy 281% 282* spiv wishes he never has to see another meta-argument 283<moshez> spiv: meta-arguments are fun! 284<spiv> moshez: The first time perhaps. They're always the same, though. It gets tiresome. 285<glyph> spiv: you're having a meta-meta argument now 286<spiv> glyph: My life is pain :) 287<moshez> glyph: I was afraid of having to point this out to spiv myself 288<dash> moshez: it wasn't an argument 'til you spoke up :) 289<moshez> dash: but he *answered* 290<glyph> aaaaaaaaa 291<glyph> METAMETAMETA ARGUMENT 292<jml> glyph: not it's not 293--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to glyph 294<-- glyph has kicked jml from #twisted (IT IS NOT AN ARGUMENT IF I HAVE A GUN) 295<exarkun> +1 (Insightful) 296% 297<dash> bruce: oh. intellectual dishonesty doesn't bother me when it comes to getting k5 to post our propaganda. 298<moshez> dash: intellectual dishonesty doesn't bother me when it comes to brainwashing and taking over the world 299<dash> moshez: That's what I said. 300% 301<MoonFallen> i'm looking at a perl program called tedia2sql 302<MoonFallen> the author seems pretty competent, judging by the quality of the program, but it takes him almost 300 lines what t.p.usage would allow me to do in 50 303<MoonFallen> and i'm not that good 304<glyph> MoonFallen: yes, but I'm *amazing*, and I wrote t.p.usage ;-D 305<MoonFallen> well shit, no wonder 306<glyph> and it's been hacked on by people smarter than me, since then. 307<MoonFallen> incidentally, who do you consider smarter than you? i need to hire those people or keep away from them 308% 309<MoonFallen> lol. it's nice when someone starts out a post like this: " Basically, the entire structure of your argument centers around the assumption that it's bad to have bugs in your program." 310<MoonFallen> then i know i can skip the rest of the post 311% 312<bram> I just got a call from a mechanical voice which said 'I'm sorry, I dialed your number in error' 313% 314Grocible says, "this programming job on another site demands "courage, commitment and loyalty"" 315Grocible says, "Courage commitment and fucking loyalty?!" 316Grocible asks, "is this an ad for a knight's assistant circa 1450?" 317Grocible asks, "what were they called? Pages?" 318Nate says, "So that's what Active Server Pages are." 319% 320<liiwi> _pattern = re.compile('^(?P<client>[^ ]+) (?P<ident>[^ ]+) (?P<authuser>[^\[\n]+) \[(?P<mday>[0-9]+)\/(?P<mon_name>\w+)\/(?P<ye\ 321<liiwi> ar>[0-9]+):(?P<hour>[0-9]+):(?P<min>[0-9]+):(?P<sec>[0-9]+) (?P<timediff>[^ ]+)\] "(?P<method>(GET|HEAD|PUT|POST|TRACE|DELETE|O\ 322<liiwi> PTIONS|-))( (?P<url>.*) (?P<proto>[^ ].*))" (?P<status>.*) (?P<bytes>.*) "(?P<refer>.*)" "(?P<agent>[^"]+)"(($)|( (?P<stime>[^ \ 323<liiwi> ]+) (?P<vhost>[^ ]+).*$))') 324<radix> BURN IN HELL 325% 326<radix> somebody dressed in a chicken suit came out during the concert and attacked them 327<radix> and they beat the crap out of it 328% 329<rc> I don't find transclusive folding to be that useful a programming 330language feature. 331<faassen> rc: well, it's an acquired taste. 332% 333<Stravad> Python has that instance id thingy for everything 334<glyph> Stravad: uh, that's not an OID, that's &foo; :-) 335<radix> glyph: !? 336<dash> radix: that's what id() does 337<radix> kill me 338<radix> I read that as an XML entity 339% 340<glyph> if zone transfers are bind fileformat 341<glyph> how much more complicated could this be than FTP? :) 342<dash> glyph: Prepare to be surprised. 343% 344<dash> it's like a bicycle 345<dash> but with internet 346% 347<dash> itamar: ok. well, given that Jesus did rise from the dead, one has to consider what this says about him 348<itamar> he was lucky? 349% 350<moshez> we aren't really a dictatorship 351<moshez> we're more like an anarchy, except WE ELIMINATE PEOPLE WE DON'T LIKE 352% 353<radix> sometimes i eat tums just cuz I like the taste 354<glyph> radix: that sounds like a bad idea 355<radix> you can never get enough calcium!@ 356<glyph> radix: if your eyelids ever start sticking to your eyes, or you can't see or hear because a caky, white film has covered your eyes or ears, you may want to consider cutting back on your over-the-counter pharmiceutical intake 357<radix> hold up... let me raise the font size. 358<radix> Oh. 359% 360<moshez> nobody resizes my text terminals and lives. 361% 362<saph> radix: i've eaten nothing but a subway and a weird coconut thing my mom 363 made that has a pecan on it and i was kind of afraid of it, but i was also 364 very hungry so hunger won out on that one 365% 366<glyph> the god of unit testing is going to kill me for this code 367<Tv> There is no such thing. 368<Tv> I would have been dead by lightning for years now. 369* liiwi notices the lack of god of code commenting too 370% 371<queuetue> Are these actual people we're discussing, or another webcomic? 372% 373<glyph> ono! I have forgotten the sacred waterfall 374% 375<icepick> I, as someone who was a professional php programmer, can tell you: Think of the children 376% 377<PenguinOfDoom> I reject that approach. It has a suspicious lack of internet. 378% 379<glyph> itamar: uh, I *am* twistedmatrix.com 380% 381<PenguinOfDoom> CA is definitely like life; 382<PenguinOfDoom> When is says "bonus", it means "you are buried" 383% 384<itamar> i don't understand how COM works 385<MoonFallen> me neither 386<MoonFallen> i suspect it doesn't 387% 388<lgonze> ok, name a security flaw in browsers. 389<raph> "bugtraq browser" returns about 37,100 hits on google 390<raph> sorry i don't have the patience to sift through them all 391% 392<Yosomono> He's really a reasonable person, if you read his writing. 393<Yosomono> I mean, aside from the "lizards run the world" thing. 394% 395<glyph> AND NOW FOR A MESSAGE FROM OUR SPONSOR 396<glyph> Are you WEIRD? 397<glyph> Are you MADE OF INTERNET? 398<glyph> Use Twisted! Or die. http://www.twistedmatrix.com/ 399% 400<MoonFallen> i know. but i've read too many horror stories. glyph gets run over 401by a truck, his source code gets acquired from his estate by microsoft, evil 402ensues 403% 404<radix> bah screw it 405* radix fakes it 406<glyph> radix: hooray for faking 407% 408<jml> will you take me, to build and to dist, in windows and in unix, till uninstall do we part? 409<jml> If any man here objects, let him speak now or ... "error: command 'cl.exe' failed: No such file or directory" 410% 411<dash> moshez: why's that better? 412<moshez> dash: um, because it doesn't necessitate Elijah 413<moshez> so it's more portable 414<jml> re-use for fun and prophet 415% 416<cow_2001> btw, for me python is love from first sight.. 417<exarkun> and as with real love, it will fade after you copulate with it 418% 419<itamar> just because he was dating a 16 year old that one time he was 420 supposed to be doing a release... 421<gvanrossum> too much info, okay? 422% 423<itamar> liiwi: europe has no business 424<itamar> thus it can't make business mistakes 425<itamar> bunch of socialists living in caves banging rocks together 426% 427<liiwi> why not illegalize guns while they're at it? 428<chrchr> liiwi: Because they're Republicans. They love guns. It's _ideas_ they hate! 429<liiwi> let's start using shotguns to route packets 430% 431<radix> I love killing everything with the sword 432% 433<porridge> does python have an equivalent of C ternary "?:" operator? 434<Erwin> Python has the sextary operator, !@#$^&. Given expression x, each of the 6 operands of the sextary operator is evaluated depending on whether the expression is logically true, false, morally right or wrong or neither of those 435% 436<exarkun> if you're lucky it causes segfaults 437<exarkun> if you're unlucky it signals the Mothership that Earth is ripe for invasion and brings about the destruction of all mankind 438% 439<chrchr> fariseo: If PHP is like stabbing your eye sockets with a screwdriver, Python is like not stabbing your eye sockets with a screw driver. 440% 441<saph> i don't know. i've smoked more than my fair share of pot in my day and i've never shot anyone or raped or been raped by anyone 442<saph> the most i'd do is make some really fucking cool paintings 443<saph> that and played the best scrabble game of my life 444<saph> but that was under the influence of both pot and alcohol 445<radix> "floopy! it's a word! I swear it!" 446% 447<sjj> radix: I could smoke a pound of crack and still pronounce "nuclear" better than G.W.B 448% 449<saph> sjj: president is a minimum age of 35 (which i think is complete bs) 450<saph> i know people who are 28 who could run the country better than bushy 451<sjj> saph: I could argue I know people 5 years old who could run it better than bush. 452* warner knows magic 8-balls which could etc.. 453<saph> sjj: a ficus plant could do better 454<dash> warner: that's why i'm voting for Inanimate Carbon Rod! 455<jml> In Rod We Trust 456% 457<sjj> moshez: I somewhat see what you meant about Gimli being the target of _lots_ of jokes in TT 458<sjj> moshez: it got a bit old after a while :\ 459<Tv> Yes, the jokes fell a little.. short. 460% 461<Pahan> Comfort me, please. 462<fzZzy> no 463% 464<spiv> 11am - 6pm. For *five* whole days. And that's just one game! It's brilliant. 465<glyph> it's like the chanukah of professional sports! 466% 467* warner has done too much work with intermittent test failures 468<warner> my worst nightmares involve the alarm clock only ringing on mornings after I fall asleep on minutes ending in an even number 469% 470<Artimage> Says it will take 15 minutes 471<Tschechow> 15 _apple_ minutes. 472<Artimage> Actually, its already down to 4. 473<Tschechow> oh, you got hardware with an apple-minute-rate <1? 474% 475<exarkun> it probably doesn't even belong in the evil directory 476<dash> exarkun: why, do you have a "stupid/"? 477% 478<exarkun> bring on the dancing monkeys 479<Tenshihan> radix? 480<exarkun> That works 481% 482<moshez> jml: but euphemisms for sex are common in all languages :) 483<exarkun> moshez: what about lojban? 484<jml> exarkun: there's no record of any lojban speakers having sex. :) 485% 486<jml> If I were a girl, I'd fall in love with a bloke who wrote copious amounts of documentation. 487% 488<MoonFallen> i just signed up for a trial of o'reilly's safari thing, and noticed they had a "voodoo" topic category 489<MoonFallen> the first three books are about .NET 490<MoonFallen> i always had a feeling there was goat blood and zombies involved 491% 492<moshez> Debian: If It's Free, Insecure and Crap, We have It. 493% 494<jml> moshez: did you know that the average vegetarian walks around with 2 kgs 495of anti-establishment bile in their stomach? :) 496% 497<moshez> glyph: in the future, browsers will support google://blah blah :) 498<glyph> moshez: in the future, telepathic russians will rule the earth, and computers will be made of synthetic cheese! 499<moshez> glyph: before that 500% 501<faassen> I mean, do they say, okay, so bush looks like a born again christian with a faint hold on sanity but he's really a secular humanist and that's *good* or that's *worse*? 502<dash> faassen: he's a secular humanist with a faint hold on the english language 503% 504<glyph> I'm an un-american anti-semitic american jew! I love this country. 505% 506<hypatia> I'm not part of the American way because they don't let you own those kind of weapons around here :) 507% 508<Pahan> dash uses windows? 509<Tenshihan> his grandparents do -- so he's got some windows in his blood 510<Tenshihan> it's like being a quarter jewish 511% 512<dash> lament: well. inductive folds are pretty much the same thing as 513__get__ in python combined with the appropriate metaclass 514% 515<jml> hmmm 516<jml> Let me put it this way. 517<jml> When I read 'Brave New World' I imagined most of it to be in a place very much like Canberra. 518% 519<spiv> hypatia: I have seen snow! 520<hypatia> spiv: When? You mistook frost for snow one time :) 521% 522<dash> see, in my day, we didn't have those fancy init scripts 523<dash> just zeroes and ones 524<dash> and we used upstream bandwidth both ways 525% 526<Marvin--> well, yes, we know that /. is broken, but do you mean in some 527 particular way? 528% 529<jml> Argh!! what's happening to me. I'm melting.. 530* Jerub hands jml a pamphlet : "So you've started to devolve into a primordial ooze". 531% 532<moshez> dash: well, I lent my crystal ball to itamar 533<moshez> because his broke. 534<moshez> and then he broke mine. 535<moshez> evil itamar. 536<itamar> I did not break your balls! 537% 538<Kengur> dash: r u familiar with the Nebula Device? 539<dash> Kengur: you.... *might* say that, yes 540<Erwin> Kengur: that's the self-destruction device Kirk threatens to blow up? 541<dash> Erwin: Kirk's was before the invention of C++, though 542<dash> Erwin: so they couldn't really imagine the horrificness 543% 544<dash> sourceforge's CVS server is secretly dalnet! 545% 546<moshez> Yosomono: I AM INSANE!!!!! 547% 548<etrepum> webtastic 549% 550<liiwi> hrmpf. concurrency issues are nasty 551* Tv gives liiwi two forks and invites him to join the table. 552 <liiwi> Tv: can I bring my leatherman? 553<Tv> Well, only if you give up one fork. 554<Tv> We need to have the same number of tools and eaters. 555<Tv> Otherwise it's quite unfair :) 556% 557<moshez> the common definitions say that after a person rises from his grave, he is the undead. 558<dash> moshez: Buffy definitions are not common definitions. 559<moshez> dash: Buffy could kick your ass. 560% 561<ameoba> EVERYBODY GET STONED!!! 562<dash> ameoba: furthermore 563<dash> ameoba: everybody MUST get stoned 564<ameoba> YAY EQUALITY 565% 566<z3D> dash: yup ... remember the word 'enterprise' ? 567<dash> z3D: YES! it is one of my favorite words 568% 569<chrchr> datazone: jwz didn't invent "If the only tool you have is a hammer . . ." any more than the French invented tongue kissing. 570<datazone> chrchr: my grandpa invented french kissing 571<datazone> and i will be damned if i sit here and listen to you say that he didnt 572% 573<exarkun> '''The MODE command is a dual-purpose command in IRC. It allows both usernames and channels to have their mode changed. The rationale for this choice is that one day nicknames will be obsolete''' 574<dash> yeah, and the marxist state will wither away 575% 576* radix is a monkey with a bamboo stick 577* Kengur tries to trade banana for a bamboo stick 578<radix> hah! 579* radix beats kengur on the head and steals his banana. 580<radix> You don't need trade when you've got a bamboo stick. 581% 582<lament> Software Engineering is basically a set of techniques for making bad programmers write good code. 583<dash> lament: Which is why it doesn't work. 584% 585<Yosomono> ameoba: my hand made me sleep on the couch :P 586% 587<tansaku> mathematics is so about sex 588% 589<chrchr> Spalding Grey made the point that comedians (and comic artists!) might spend a long time building up to the punchline at the end of the joke, while a good storyteller can have the audience laughing throughout the story. 590<chrchr> Discuss. 591<exarkun> Spalding Grey is a monkey in red suspenders. 592<chrchr> exarkun: Excellent point. 593<chrchr> Everyone, how does exarkun's point about Spalding Grey being a monkey in red suspenders make you feel? 594% 595<kiko> is it just me or is the term "software design" too vague to shake a stick at? 596<exarkun> kiko: get a bigger stick 597% 598<jml> dash: is quoting pokey like mentioning the holocaust on usenet? 599<dash> jml: nope 600<dash> jml: quoting pokey is recommended practice 601<jml> dash: but, it makes retort impossible. 602<dash> jml: you're beginning to understand 603% 604<radix> HORRIBLE JAVASCRIPT ARGh 605<moshez> radix: when a teenage suicidal brooding girl builds a web site, what do you expect? 606% 607<itamar> glyph: spyce.sf.net 608<glyph> GYAH 609<glyph> yes, I've seen this before 610<glyph> I believe it was looking at this page that I coined the phrase "captain Dimwit McStupid" 611% 612<fatjim> quotemaster: i know a guy on gimpnet who wrote his entire website in bash 613<fatjim> quotemaster: then he wrote an ircbot in bash 614<fatjim> quotemaster: then his head exploded and we had to burn the entire building to prevent an epidemic 615% 616<dash> Iä, const char* fhtagn 617% 618<radix> When I take PCP, I pretend that I'm half-leprechaun-half-cheetah 619<dash> "You feel jumpy." 620% 621<Acapnotic> Are there sound effects that accompany the speaking of "Debian Project Leader"? Trumpet fanfare or choir of angles or the hushed whispering of the cabal or something? 622<_moshez> Acapnotic: the Empire music from Star Wars 623<_moshez> dam dam dam dadadam dadadam 624% 625<psy> good thing my 15yo sister also smokes rollies =P 626% 627<dash> i used to think ms creighton was just insane, but i'm reminded of a .sig on the parrot list 628<dash> "the difference betweeen insanity and genius is measured by success" 629% 630<sjj> itamar: you'll be sorry when the VIC is mainstream! you'll all be out of jobs HAHA 631% 632<Logan> You might as well ban dancing next! 633<Yosomono> Logan: We don't allow that sort of reckless behaviour here. 634<Yosomono> Logan: It leads to fraternization amongs youngsters, and eventually PREMARITAL SEX 635% 636<Logan> chrchr: Are you saying this channel is boring? 637<Logan> I think I saw something funny in here once. 638% 639<glyph> oh. where is saph? 640<exarkun> she got a job 641<glyph> Hooray! 642<exarkun> It's a mixed blessing 643<glyph> What's in the mix? 644<exarkun> I get to hear about how I don't have one a lot :P 645% 646* zookoasleep sleeps furiously. 647% 648<raph> [WebDAV] probably has all the disadvantages of a stateless protocol combined with the problems of actually implementing state 649% 650<chrchr> If I had dignity, I'd have to start wearing pants to work. 651% 652<amybah> THE REVOLUTION WILL BE TELEVISIED (to drm compliant devices) 653% 654<dash> "we wisssssh to sssquissssh, my preciousss" 655% 656<itamar> glyph freaked out my grandmother 657% 658<dash> [From the GPL FAQ:] "If the program dynamically links plug-ins, and they make function calls to each other and share data structures, we believe they form a single program" 659<dash> the days of "one process == one program" are coming to an end, i believe 660<SamB> o/` Python is a totally different way of thinking, which doesn't have much to do with linking o/` 661% 662<glyph> moshez, you are only allowed to be excited about one insipid american cultural icon at a time 663<moshez> glyph: have you not realized that at heart, I'm an american teenage girl :) 664% 665<moshez> I prefer the ones who fully embrace, knowingly and publically, the commercialization 666<moshez> than the ones who commercialize by being "non-commercial" (Eminem is the prime example here) 667<Aco> whatever... i just like girls in white panties 668% 669<lstep> It's not my fault, my wife keeps connecting under false identities to monitor me! 670% 671<wzZzy> I tried to use woven.guard sunday night 672<hazmat> and? 673<wzZzy> hazmat: glyph's powers of obfuscation are considerable 674% 675<icepick> to the batlaptop! 676% 677<moshez> radix: oh, and did I tell you I'm officially a sock puppet now? 678% 679<wzZzy> what's up mjs 680<mjs> wzZzy: nothing much, just got home from school... yourself? 681<wzZzy> mjs: workin' 682<mjs> that's what you are always doing. =) 683<wzZzy> that's cause I have a job 684% 685<raph> but if you are going to combine a scoring system with eigenvectors, it's a lot easier to think about linear things than funky bayesian formulae 686<wmf> eigenbloggers are useful, too 687* raph prepares to eigensmack wmf 688<raph> prepare to compute the eigenvalue of _this_, fool 689% 690<exarkun> nethack should be made illegal 691<exarkun> it corrupts the minds of otherwise upstanding young men 692<dash> exarkun: dont make it illegal 'til after i get this fellow into gehennom 693% 694<glyph> I am getting my design on. 695<glyph> (For those of you not already in the aisles, this means: RUN!!!!) 696<glyph> I _really_ like this one 697<glyph> it may not be appropriate for the main site, but we're going to have to use it someplace 698% 699<glyph> radix: Your credulity is not a requirement for precipitation! 700% 701<shapr> no one wants to play with my monads :-( 702% 703<ThreeSeas> what is melatonin? 704<ThreeSeas> is that like another programming language? 705% 706<gus> doesn't the phonetic representation (Zo["o]l.) mean that it should be pronounced "Zoul"? 707<glyph> I don't know... 708<glyph> I can't read phonetic. 709<gus> and all this time I thought you were phonecian. 710% 711<exarkun> Oh. The infamous "Windows sucks" bug. 712% 713<datazone> you know, america has alot of different military orginazations 714<radix> yes, maybe they'll get into a war 715% 716<radix> i want to make sweet love to twisted.python.components 717<ameoba> radix : it probably wouldn't be hard to whip up an adapter +) 718% 719<jml> _moshez: having dates would be kinda cool. 720<itamar> jml: if you take a shower every day, you'll find it's a lot more 721 likely 722% 723<trawa_@ircnet> im trying to get started with web services, but i need 724 some software - i think i read all of ibm's articles on that, read 725 about 4suite - does anyone know of sth litghter, smaller in size and 726 easier to absorb? 727<dash> trawa: hmm. what do you mean by "get started with web services"? :) 728<trawa_@ircnet> well im trying to port my html application to flash mx 729 but dont fell like using cold fusion.. 730% 731<exarkun> What powers the orbital lasers 732<exarkun> I always assumed it was the Sun, but now I don't think that would work too well 733<exarkun> Unless we are anticipating zero resistance after the destruction of the Sun 734<exarkun> This sounds like a serious flaw in our plans, then 735% 736<floam> itamar: think of how the anonymous bathroom fits in with the way our society works 737% 738<floam> the paper towel represents the customers 739% 740<dash> perl has EVERYTHING. 741<brc> except buffer overflows 742% 743<wzZzy> we should write an os 744<itamar> YES 745* itamar starts a sourceforge project 746% 747<chrchr> There are some dead/preserved carpenter ants in a bag in the mailroom of the building where I live, and a sign that says, "THESE ARE CARPENTER ANTS. BEWARE!!" 748<datazone> chrchr: why do they assume ants can read, and if they can read, that they can read english? 749% 750<sayke> those whom the gods would destroy they first make l33t 751% 752<shapr> ucking keyoar 753% 754<drewp> this twisted thing really is a text adventure game 755<dash> drewp: What a ridiculous notion. 756private message from dash: wuh oh, drewp is on to us 757% 758* itamar goes to french class 759<radix> FRENCH class??? 760<radix> Don't you mean FREEDOM class? 761% 762<glyph> my condolances 763<itamar> if Thunder- solves it i'll be ok 764<itamar> writing a C++ extension to open a fucking find dialog is soooo fun 765<glyph> oh 766<glyph> I meant "my condolances on failing to stop the war" :) 767% 768<moshez> glyph: I have an ethical question for you. 769<glyph> moshez: my answer, as always, is "kill them all and let god sort them out" 770% 771<snibri1> i wonder if those boost ppl ever sleep 772<jemfinch> snibri1: why? 773<AdamV> snibri1: Nightmares from C++ template coding? 774% 775<Artimage> Amazon wish lists are really a double edged sword. 776<Artimage> This guy made me his amazon friend... so I checked out his list... 777<Artimage> lots of 'how to make your own porno movies' books... I now know WAY TOO MUCH... but I have no clue who he is. 778<Artimage> I would have to know someone at least a week before I'd be interested in knowing this. 779% 780<treker> pyn ur fuckin hot 781<treker> :-Plol 782% 783<moshez> marz: don't be scared! 784<moshez> marz: the squishing is fun 785<moshez> ask anyone 786<dash> it isn't fun 787<dash> it's like a tiny genocide 788<moshez> marz: ok, ask anyone except dash 789% 790<moshez> dash: what is your profession, again? 791<dash> moshez: "irc junkie" 792<moshez> dash: good money in that, huh? 793<dash> moshez: money? 794<dash> moshez: now that you mention it 795<dash> most of my jobs lately have come from irc 796% 797[re: porting the rewrite of jelly to Scheme] 798<radix> So is it still really mutaty? 799<glyph> It's so mutaty you're going to be using 'set' with *two* exclamation points 800% 801<jml> you ever heard about cosmic conflicts between the forces of order and 802 the forces of chaos? Well, Canberra is like Order winning, stomping over the 803 frail corpse of chaos, and all spontenaity, surprise and flexibility 804 disappearing from the world. 805% 806<Spec> Damn you pyn. You are now my greatest adversary. 807% 808<-- Spec has quit ("The bell that controls our lives has released us into the world....woot.") 809% 810<exarkun> What's a good, low-cost way to notice when a new file exists in a directory? 811<SamB> exarkun: open the directory for reading, read to the end, and use select? (crazy!) 812% 813<coderman> you ever see my callback templates for use with static and member functions? 814<coderman> it works nicely, which is a credit to the STL, but it is also so incredibly ugly it makes my head hurt 815<coderman> http://cubicmetercrystal.com/alpine/gen_html/base/AppUtils/AppCallback.h.html 816<zooko> What the fuck, man? Why are you memcpying these void*'s? Where is callbackData_ defined? What are all these things templated on "class argument Type"?? AAAAiiiigh! 817* zooko holds one hand over his eyes and clicks blindly with the mouse in the attempt to hit the "close window" button. 818% 819* Acapnotic puts on his "in MY day, we had to write our modelines by hand, with nothing more than some loose notes by matt walsh, the back on an envelope, and the blood from our own hands..." pants. 820% 821<jml> the phrase "unstable reactor" makes me feel a little nervous 822% 823<etrepum> dance dance hack? 824<radix> hack hack revolution 825% 826<pyn> <widada@ircnet> this is what i see: "<pyn> <radix@fn> Huh?" 827<pyn> <princepsd@ircnet> do you want to see somethingelse? 828<pyn> <princepsd@ircnet> ;)) 829<pyn> <princepsd@oftc> or is this to much for you? ;)) 830<pyn> <princepsd@efnet> the bridge confuses you? 831<princepsd> you can't keep track? ;)) 832% 833<exarkun> why would someone mount a swapfile from an NFS mount? 834<MoonFallen> exarkun: to bring about an anarchic dystopia 835% 836<princepsd> marxist witted is a anagram of twistedmatrix 837% 838<exarkun> z3p: conch is making me sad again 839<z3p> exarkun: conch only does ssh, it is not responsible for also making you happy 840<exarkun> Oh. Crud. 841% 842<bram> it's nice being a cult leader :-) 843<bram> now I must get my minions to start giant bonfires in the woods and do ritual dances around them 844% 845<Yosomono@efnet> glyph: Does it amuse you sometimes to realize you've created an entire genre of coding for people? 846<glyph> Yosomono: "sometimes"? It amuses me constantly. It's become the central staple of my entire sense of humor, as well as my livelihood. 847<glyph> It is easily the most amusing thing in my life. 848% 849<dash> if python is an orchestra, overloaded operators are "miscellaneous percussion" 850% 851<radix> Don't be a consumer! Live off the land 852<itamar> there are no pants-trees in nyc 853% 854<fzZzy> what good is planetary consciousness if it can't open an arbitrary socket? 855% 856<jml> can someone briefly explain componentized in the context of the web registry? 857<spiv> jml: You've got an internet cloud, right? Only, you're reading isometric, so you really want an internet *cube*. 858 So, you take your componentised cloud, and ask it for a cube adapter. Then exigency girl arrives, kicks your ass, and everyone 859 is happy. 860% 861<spiv> As far as I'm concerned, the meat pie is the ultimate unit of currency. 862% 863<Noen> fear twisted, because its leet 864% 865<glyph> jml: I PROMISE I really thought popsicle was a good idea at the time. 866% 867<jml> balsa is crying out to be re-written in Twisted 868<jml> 'heal me' 'heal me' 869<jml> 'I don't want to be threaded' 870<Acapnotic> yeah, lots of mail programs say that 871<jml> Acapnotic: It must be very easy to write GUI mail programs that suck 872<Acapnotic> it is, but a lot of people have gone above and beyond the 873 bare minimal effort required 874% 875<warner> Activate the Flux Condensor! 876<MoonFallen> We can fix it by patching the wireless with a subspace access point! 877<itamar> the powerbook's dilithium crystals are not in tune with the mr814 access point 878* warner looks through his toolbox for a transdimensional flux agitator 879<warner> uh-oh, we've got a level 3 resonance singularity 880<MoonFallen> But it'll be risky! We've got to get the harmonics oscillating 881 correctly before Buffy comes on, or we'll be dead in the water. 882<warner> Right, you align the warp power conduits while I re-fractalize the 883 positronic emitters. We meet back on the engineering level in 40 884 centons. 885% 886<warner> happy tests, fat buildmaster 887<spiv> warner: I can practically hear it yelling "Feed me, warner!" from 888 here ;) 889<spiv> Heh. Now I'm envisaging a "Little Shop of Hackers" with the 890 buildmaster as the plant (and the buildslaves for tendrils!), and poor 891 warner as Seymour :) 892<warner> FEED ME! 893<spiv> For some reason, I keep thinking of _moshez as the dentist ;) 894% 895<exarkun> radix: [dash] *is* a lazy sob 896<exarkun> radix: but that doesn't mean he's wrong 897% 898<itamar> I don't want my name in the windows registry 899<itamar> it's probably bad luck 900% 901<exarkun> it's JAVA, if you didn't want to type FIFTY LINES to do ONE STUPID THING you wouldn't be using it, right? 902% 903<jml> _moshez: yeah, but that's obviously an imposed patriarchal paradigm 904 that's entirely foreign to the implicit metanarritive. 905<flax07> not to be ot - but can anyone give some newbie help 906% 907<freeside> On a scale of One to AWESOME, twisted.web is PRETTY ABSTRACT!!!! 908% 909<rik> note to self: do not advise people to use a Deferred when in #c. 910% 911<saph> dash: when you take over the world, can i be in charge of leather and vinyl active wear? 912% 913<Nafai> w00t w00t w00t w00t! 914<Nafai> I don't understand all of the code, but it works! 915<Nafai> I guess I should check it in. 916% 917<moshez> glyph: I don't care about actual people 918<moshez> glyph: I care about not screwing up Debian 919% 920<arno> what are the main things to change going from [bsddb] 3.3 to 4.1? 921<icepick> moving around when you open transactions 922<arno> sounds like money laundering strategies... 923% 924<gt3> welcome to the world wide wtf 925% 926<glyph> warner: you want to port twisted to PyMite? 927<warner> now *that* would be entertaining.. 928<Nafai> ...for various definitions of entertaining 929% 930<zooko> I don't know if I'll have much time, but my goals are: 1. test_ent.py, 2. ent.py, 3. make znff.py use ent.py, 4. rule the universe 931% 932<hypatia> moshez: That's OK, you can feature in my diary as "Glyph's bitch". 933% 934<akrherz> quotacheck <-- Do I have quota left for more questions :) 935<radix> akrherz: Insert $.25 936<akrherz> where? Can I just give my credit card? 937<radix> akrherz: That'll do. 938<akrherz> wow, the internet is fantastic 939% 940<glyph> dreid: so you have some free time? 941<dreid> glyph: not really but i could always sleep less 942% 943<jml> any world knowledge-ables about? 944<chrchr> jml: YES. 945<chrchr> jml: Oh. You mean twisted.world. 946<jml> chrchr: yes. 947<jml> chrchr: I am not aware of any other. 948% 949<wumpus> google, froogle, when are they going to start making names that make sense? :P 950<wumpus> even the twisted module names make more sense 951% 952<dash> wumpus: names that make sense are at an end 953<dash> wumpus: they have been all trademarked 954% 955<chrchr> radix: Are you at NASA? Do you see any of the aliens? 956<radix> No. 957<radix> chrchr: They don't keep the aliens at Goddard, anyway 958% 959<_moshez> dash: we need to make Twisted into, pardon the comparison, Zope 960% 961<Holocaine> moshez: I think your bad wrap comes from the fact that all of us 962 are far too postmodern for your version of correctness. =) 963% 964--- itamar has changed the topic to: "We reject kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code." -- David Clark 965<dash> also, giant robots. 966% 967<itamar> better not have children anywhere [POWERFUL CORPORATION'S NAME ELIDED -ed] can fly lawyers 968<etrepum> hah 969<etrepum> they're not that bad 970<itamar> that's what they all say 971<itamar> and then it's "but I didn't think they take *my* little Joanne!" 972% 973<dash> fortunately not all people who call themselves christians are bloodthirsty imperialists 974% 975<glyph> dreid: you want to talk about the web? 976<dreid> glyph: yes 977<glyph> dreid: I THINK THE WEB IS TERRIBLE 978<dreid> well there is always gopher 979% 980<zoyd> someone help me with using dictclient.py 981<zoyd> the dict.org client that is. 982<tappintap> zoyd: what are you trying to do. Start at the beginning, like: I 983 got up today, and I wanted to paint the shed. 984% 985<dash> there is a particular sense of fatigue that i have come to associate with the aftermath of attempting to troubleshoot windows problems 986% 987<itamar> oooh 988<itamar> Windows Server 2003 CD 989<itamar> 180 day evaluation 990<glyph> itamar: damn! that's half as good as the full product 991% 992<ivan> i can't wait till palladium! 993<ivan> cheat-free gaming at last 994% 995<jml> spiv: some might call it rewriting, I call it "refactoring from zero" 996% 997<Nafai> I need to find a reason to learn Woven. :) 998<exarkun> it will get you laid 999* Nafai thinks 1000<Nafai> I'm not sure I believe you. 1001% 1002<jml> if I'm stuck in windows, what's a good browser? 1003<jml> preferably one that implements the Aquinas protocol so I can get infinite bandwidth with no hardware upgrades 1004% 1005<radix> THE REAL WORLD IS JUST LIKE HIGH SCHOOL 1006<radix> ARAGH 1007* radix shoots himself. 1008% 1009<exarkun> "While working on a web framework late one night, Mr. Preston was sucked into an http vortex and trapped on the internet. Now he roams from website to website, crying at code embedded in malformed html templates and exploiting cross site scripting bugs." 1010% 1011<AdamV> SamB: PHP's basic control structure is the "database timeout error". 1012% 1013<tjs> I was telling the guys at work about woven, and they asked me to implement it in php.. I told them, without battering an eyelid, that it was totally impossible.. sometimes you just have to stand up for whats right 1014% 1015<tjs> they have xml parsers for php 1016<dash> I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT 1017% 1018<WuN> my school went on a trip to Queens U last week (like we stayed the week 1019 in the dorms and such), and i took java... i learned 3 things that week: 1020 1) i dont like java 2) lectures suck 3) not having parents is amazing 1021% 1022<Yosomono@efnet> chrchr: In MMORPGs, I typically play female characters too. 1023 Mostly because if I'm gonna spend a lot of time looking at 1024 this person's ass while they're running around, I wanna see 1025 something decent. 1026% 1027<Tv> How does everyone feel about getting all dirty with low-level networking in twisted? 1028<Tv> I'm thinking ip, udp etc. 1029<Tv> As in, "here's the full packet". 1030<itamar> personally, it fills me with an unholy glee 1031% 1032<itamar> Tv: there are people who will offer to marry you if you release this 1033% 1034<jml> if only I could eat whitespace 1035% 1036*** prell (~prell@106.165.8.67.cfl.rr.com) has joined channel #twisted 1037<prell> glyph: thanks :-) 1038*** prell (~prell@106.165.8.67.cfl.rr.com) has quit: Client Quit 1039<liiwi> wow, a drive-by thanking 1040% 1041<exarkun> radix: also, I need a crossover cable. 1042<radix> wth are you using cables for 1043<radix> cables are gross 1044<etrepum> because sometimes you want bandwidth 1045<radix> yeah right! 1046<etrepum> well you can go play your infocom games and I'll transfer large files 1047% 1048On 2003.05.23 18:54, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: 1049> On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 06:45 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: 1050> > The next big thing is to fantasize about nonexistent programming 1051> > languages that make good compile and runtime decisions for you. 1052> 1053> Hey wait! I'm *really good* at that! Let me tell you about this paper 1054> I read on linear objects... 1055 1056[Later that day, on IRC...] 1057<radix> dash: dogg! glyph is cutting up 1058<radix> dash: latest post to t-p 1059<dash> radix: Yeah, i know he hates me and wants me to die 1060<dash> radix: why, what's new? 1061% 1062<dash> cfork: if all you have are nails, there's no need to pick up the 1063 biggest hammer with the poison-ivy oil on the handle every time 1064% 1065<zooko> I once had a party in Amsterdam, and there were two live webcams, and I was worried that people would 1066<zooko> accidentally do something on camera that they didn't intend to. 1067<zooko> So I spent a long time making great big signs, hard to miss even if you are fucked up, saying 1068<zooko> "THERE IS A WEB CAM IN THIS ROOM" and stuff like that. 1069<zooko> As soon as the party started some people pushed the cam aside and started doing lines of coke on the desktop. 1070% 1071<chrchr> datazone-work: Some people dominate the world because they can't hold down a regular job and like the flexible hours that world domination offers. 1072% 1073<fzZzy> dang. when there are so many layers of abstraction you don't understand it's tough to do a minimal test :( 1074<fzZzy> and when glyph writes no docstrings 1075<fzZzy> now I know how people feel trying to use woven 1076% 1077<Tv> Enough rope to shoot a foot in your mouth. 1078<_moshez> enough mixed metaphors to grab a bull by its horns? 1079<Tv> Enough mixed metaphors to grab a bull and eat it, too. 1080% 1081<glyph> jml: world needs help 1082<spiv> glyph: Sound like you need to put an ad out for a superhero 1083<glyph> spiv: all too true 1084<glyph> world.save() 1085% 1086<moshez> the breasts are part of the cognitive dissonance 1087% 1088<glyph> So, how do I tell distutils to compile/link with g++ rather than gcc? 1089<spiv> glyph: By typing your commands IN BLOOD 1090% 1091<cehteh> >>> foo() 1092<cehteh> Segmentation fault 1093<cehteh> doh 1094<whitestar> cehteh: sucks to be foo()! 1095<deltab> I pity the foo() 1096% 1097<itamar> ambivalent? 1098<gus> kinda 1099% 1100<radix> how many people are we going to get posting to the list "How do I do X? I can't use <perfect solution>, it doesn't fit my design" today? 1101% 1102<sjj> spiv: where does your family live? 1103<spiv> sjj: Singleton. 1104% 1105<limi> I need some sex to adjust my sleeping patterns 1106<limi> the only thing that *really* works ;) 1107% 1108<sjj> dash: you certainly are an enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a hat. 1109% 1110<cyli> actually I signed on because i was curious to see what people thought about the stem cell debate 1111<radix> cyli: I'm with Dream Theater on that one 1112<glyph> radix: You believe that the decision on the debate should involve a melodic but very complex 10-minute sample montage? 1113<radix> glyph: Hell yes 1114% 1115<Alea> Just spent the last 6 months writing const-ridden C++ code... 1116<radix> I've *never* had to copy a data structure before returning in any of my code 1117<radix> Alea: We're a more, ahh, free-thinking bunch. Like hippies, you know? 1118* radix passes some pot to Alea 1119% 1120<dash> glyph: i don't see anything else you'd want to use '' for 1121<glyph> dash: a user named '' 1122<dash> glyph: is there a good reason to allow users named that? :) 1123<jml> : of course not 1124% 1125<itamar> stupid useless gods 1126% 1127<moshez> glyph: but I'd recommend giving him a ban 1128<moshez> it's like chops 1129<moshez> except better 1130% 1131<Jerub> Why do people punish themselves with latex? 1132<anthony> Jerub: well, you see... oh. you mean LaTeX. 1133% 1134<cyli> maybe you can help me w/ more of woven's dynamic stuff? 1135<cyli> you said it was really cool and you could do all sorts of weird things with it 1136<cyli> does that involve lots of javascript? 1137<glyph> yes 1138<glyph> as well as blood of a Polynesian virgin 1139<cyli> i thought the blood of a germanic princess 1140<glyph> germanic princess is OK for static pages 1141% 1142<pr0le> I find that when i get sex regularly, i tend to be more productive as a programmer. 1143<pr0le> conversely, when i don't get it regularly, i am more productive as a musician. 1144<MoonFallen> pr0le: i'm not a musician. i guess that makes my priorities very clear. 1145% 1146<allexpro> why does twisted want to destroy the sun? 1147<MFen> give it a gimmick in the overcrowded python network framework market? 1148<MFen> you know, those feature checkboxes on those comparison pages. [x] tcp [x] udp [x] asynchronous [x] destroyed the sun 1149<MFen> and on the right it would be like competitor ------ [x] tcp [x] udp [x] asynchronous [ ] destroyed the sun 1150% 1151<abram> Anyone up for answering a Deferred question? 1152<dash> abram: ask your question now, get an answer later! 1153% 1154<glyph> the answer, of course, is "fuck Windows" 1155% 1156On 2003.06.25 05:36, Moshe Zadka wrote: 1157> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, "W.J." wrote: 1158> > I really hope twisted is not going to enforce this. 1159> 1160> Twisted is not about enforcement. Twisted is about mocking people who are 1161> using the technology in non-optimal ways. 1162% 1163<saph> dash: moshe rules! 1164<dash> saph: maybe! 1165<dash> but he'll have to fight me first 1166<saph> dash: it has to be a clean fight, no stilts, no hats 1167% 1168<Rumor> dash: What is this, the spanish inquisition? 1169<dash> rumor: This is me asking you to think. 1170% 1171<itamar> lets change the subject 1172<glyph> itamar: Okay, let's talk about your inadequacies instead 1173% 1174<tic> horray! twisted is working! 1175<tic> now let's see if that IRC client thingy is working as well. 1176<glyph> tic: QUICK SHUT IT DOWN BEFORE I ROOT YOUR COMPUTER 1177<tic> glyph, NO PLAES DONNT! 1178% 1179<itamar> I'm half jewish! 1180<itamar> the other half is also jewish though 1181% 1182* rt tries to think back to his college courses. "Elementary Carnivorous Dinosaur Avoidance 101" sticks out as a particularly useful class. 1183<chrchr> rt: I think you might be dating yourself. 1184% 1185<hefzibah> peaceniks never make up their minds - never date one. 1186% 1187<lament> Slashdot karma, unfortunately, is not real karma, because it doesn't involve the death of the people who have it 1188% 1189<glyph> spiv: FIX FTP 1190<spiv> glyph: I'm a little pissed atm... don't encourage me to write code :) 1191<sjj> spiv: pissed as in angry or pissed as in australian? 1192% 1193<Riastradh> Syntax causes cancer of the semicolon. 1194<radix> syntax rules 1195<Riastradh> syntax-rules rules. 1196% 1197<glyph> radix: PEACE AND LOVE!!! 1198<radix> why 1199% 1200<chrchr> What's the word for a potion that makes people horny? I 1201 forget the word. Wild mead is supposed to do that. 1202<Erwin> alcohol 1203% 1204<glyph> LordVan: I don't know why people keep using twisted for all this serious stuff. It's a mud with a mailserver. 1205% 1206<glyph> For example - if you came in here asking "how do I use a jackhammer" we might ask "why do you need to use a jackhammer" 1207<glyph> If the answer to the latter question is "to knock my grandmother's head off to let out the evil spirits that gave her cancer", then maybe the problem is actually unrelated to jackhammers 1208% 1209<Pahan> exarkun: Are you a brain surgeon? 1210<exarkun> Pahan: I know where your brain is, and I've used a knife before, if that's what you mean. 1211% 1212<moshez> nobomb: the rumours that we mutilated and killed people who badmouthed Twisted are completely unsubstantiated 1213<exarkun> but please stay out of the garage 1214% 1215<nobomb> since i learnt netscape started in a garage...i've yet to enter one 1216<nobomb> something like that must be spawned from fornication carrion beasts 1217<moshez> and what do the carrion beats feed on? 1218<moshez> I can't tell you what they don't feed on! 1219<nobomb> the limbs of mutilated twisted naysayers 1220<moshez> and that's bodies of people we killed for badmouthing Twisted 1221<nobomb> why not 1222<moshez> because there aren't any! 1223<nobomb> lies 1224% 1225<hypatia> I don't think charmed is so applicable there? 1226<moshez> I don't think the Charmed ones got their powers a little later 1227<moshez> on the bad part, spiv would die :( 1228<hypatia> That's the price you pay for superpowers. 1229<hypatia> Nobody gets superpowers and happiness. 1230<hypatia> Sorry spiv -- I'm trading up! 1231% 1232<glyph> what the hell am I going to do with a dozen donuts? 1233<dash> make 11 new friends 1234% 1235<moshez> itamar: I mean, it's fun that I can trace ancestry pretty much to the people who invented flamewars, 3k years ago 1236<itamar> moshez: this would explain a lot about you, yes 1237% 1238<glyph> dizzyd: yeah, microdom.py vs. sux.py :) 1239<radix> deathmatch! 1240<glyph> radix: sux would totally whup microdom's ass 1241<glyph> radix: it would be all scary dressed up in leather and chains and shit 1242<glyph> and microdom would have a little bow tie 1243% 1244<phed> glyph: If I take care of some children, and I tell somebody else, "I just let them do whatever they want"... 1245<phed> glyph: then people like you say "what if they KILL somebody! Shriek!". 1246<glyph> phed: they actually say that? they say "shriek"? 1247<phed> Shriek is the matingcall of people I hate 1248<glyph> norway is a weird place 1249% 1250<dash> soon copyright will be dead 1251<dash> and bookmobiles will roam the streets of america freely 1252% 1253<moshez> jml: I AM A STANDARD 1254% 1255<dizzyd> dude, life is good once you get the hang of this framework 1256<dizzyd> my code just drizzles into modularity 1257% 1258<dash> First they [the dev. team for Evolution: Worlds, a console game] 1259 break mimesis, then they break the first rule of RPGs! 1260<glyph> what is the first rule of RPGs? 1261<dash> schizophrenic kleptomania 1262% 1263<itamar> ow ow ow my head 1264<fzZzy> gently down the stream 1265<dash> merrily merrily merrily 1266<fzZzy> itamar is in pain 1267<itamar> I am going to kill you all 1268% 1269<moshez> I want to use ed 1270<moshez> but ed has flaws :( 1271<dash> i would venture to say that ed is composed entirely of flaws 1272% 1273<moshez> spiv: I cry wolf all the time, but that's because 1274 WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WOLFS! 1275% 1276<itamar> I must work 1277% 1278<dash> ooh, i have an idea 1279<dash> clone noam chomsky and hire the clones as greeters at wal-mart 1280<itamar> I've never been to a walmart 1281<itamar> how does that work? 1282<dash> itamar: it is a big room full of stuff 1283<glyph> dash: "Hello, you bourgeois military-industrial pig! Would you like 1284 some coupons?" 1285% 1286<MFen> irc is sort of a window into the schizophrenic part of the 1287 brain, i think. 1288* Nafai tries to smash the window 1289% 1290<dunker> ah so the kqueue reactor doesn't spawn right 1291<spiv> dunker: Maybe it needs a full moon in spring, like certain types of fish? 1292% 1293<jml> watching classic films and reading classic books is worth it, in general, just to appreciate The Simpsons more 1294% 1295<lac> my problem is that i have the new cisco wireless card 1296<lac> and I cannot get it to work 1297<lac> with my debian linux. curse it all. 1298<lac> also running it makes my dishwasher go nuts 1299% 1300<BradB> Perl's main appeal is more social than technical. They have fun 1301 tricking Perl into doing things we don't even have to think about in 1302 Python. 1303% 1304<avida> like with enumerate(), i would go back to al my code and use enumerate ... 1305<avida> im obsessed that way 1306<dash> is it rad to be obsessed avida 1307<avida> dash: its killer radical, indeed 1308% 1309<Riastradh> glyph, explain why I'm writing twisted-scheme, then...and 1310 making it implementation-independant. 1311<glyph> Riastradh: because you are a WONDERFUL PERSON, even though I 1312 disagree with you 1313% 1314<itamar> why does my 1.8ghz pc take 30 seconds to delete start menu items 1315<itamar> what is it *doing* 1316<radix> contacting the mothership by emanating magnetic signals from the movement of the HD heads across the platters. 1317% 1318<itamar> oh look, these people are writing a "pragmatic language"! from scratch 1319<itamar> someone get me some of those drugs 1320<itamar> I don't enjoy reality any more 1321% 1322<Pahan> It looks like a very cool tihng. 1323<Pahan> But ugh, I hate fragile software. 1324<radix> Pahan: wtf, you're a l33t C++ hacker. 1325<radix> Pahan: you should be used to it. 1326% 1327<etrepum> worst case you waste 40 bucks, best case it just works.. somewhere in the middle, you learn how to write a kernel driver 1328% 1329<moshez> deltab: "write to stderr" is not a logging technology 1330% 1331<radix> hooray! death to privatization 1332% 1333<fzZzy> css is like putting a bandaid on your SEVERED HEAD 1334% 1335<dash> well, we try 1336<dash> but some of us are more trying than others 1337% 1338<tenth> The issue tracker that solves the issue of failing to use the issue 1339tracker will rule the earth as a living god someday. 1340% 1341<Acapnotic> dash: how are the cookies connected to glyph's internet again? 1342<dash> Acapnotic: wires 1343% 1344<MFen> i don't want to look at it. but someone else should. seriously 1345<MFen> hard work is not my thing 1346% 1347<Erwin> it provides some thin abstractinos around Python objects so 1348 you don't have to screw around with refcounting, but nothing much 1349<exarkun> abstractinos! 1350<exarkun> the elementary particle of abstraction 1351<exarkun> excite them to high enough energy and they release their 1352 gluons, resulting in a refactor! 1353<exarkun> but don't excite them too much, or you'll end up with all 1354 abstraction and no implementation! 1355% 1356<radix> my misfortune is that Broken Sword crashing in the same spot 1357<radix> every time i try to play through it 1358<radix> whyyy 1359<radix> my computer sucks 1360<dash> radix: yeah, this is why i don't buy games that say "broken" on the box 1361% 1362<Ron> I'm beginning to suspect that statically linking is a bad idea? 1363<exarkun> Not if you own a lot of shares of Maxtor or Seagate 1364% 1365<moshez> IInsanity(moshez).squish(IHandsHaving(radix)) 1366% 1367<radix> what the heck are you talking about 1368<MFen> cyberhigh 1369<Nafai> MFen: Is that a drug like snow crash? 1370<MFen> almost exactly like that, but without the ninja motorcycle chase 1371% 1372* moshez is insane toad 1373<moshez> today 1374<moshez> damnit 1375% 1376<tjs> at least C++ is comparitivly sane 1377<tjs> my day job is php 1378<exarkun> tjs: uh 1379<exarkun> tjs: oh 1380% 1381<exarkun> btw I hate imap 1382% 1383<etrepum> python should come with a disclaimer 1384<etrepum> that says you may not want to use anything else ever again 1385% 1386<MFen> want to write my requirements for me? 1387<radix> Sure! 1388<radix> "show a dancing monkey in the about box" 1389% 1390<dash> foom: at one level, i'd just say "screw that, let people share objects if they're foolish enough to try" 1391<foom> yes, that's called "threading" 1392<foom> and everyone is foolish enough to try 1393% 1394<moshez> I miss the hype!! 1395% 1396"from experience and months of lurking, I would say the Twisted newbie 1397experience is characterised by waves of confusion and euphoria." 1398 -- Douglas Bagnall 1399% 1400<sjj> one day you will understand how it is I came to be the sole 1401 owner of this lemonade 1402<warner> you killed all the other kids at the lemonade stand, didn't you 1403<sjj> hah hah haaah, free enterprise! 1404% 1405<moshez> exarkun: I will tell saph to uncynicalize you 1406<itamar> with a SHOTGUN 1407<itamar> the cynicism will leak out the holes 1408% 1409<chrchr> SamB: pirate is an implementation of Python for the Parrot VM. 1410<exarkun> Argh, matey. 1411% 1412<radix> i like porn 1413<itamar> that's not womanizing 1414<itamar> that's objectification, closely related to OBJECTIVISM 1415<radix> i like it a lot 1416% 1417<sjj> so i'm trying to keep glyph out of jail and / or financial ruin 1418% 1419<dash> "some guy in blue sunglasses killed the last guy who worked here. We think he was from the future." 1420<glyph> dash: my sunglasses are mirrored grey, actually 1421<dash> glyph: the ones you have NOW, you mean 1422% 1423<MFen> anything that makes glyph go OH SHIT makes me want to buy garlic and silver bullets and get a lawyer 1424<MFen> the silver bullets are in case it's a werewolf, the lawyer is in case it's a lawsuit and the garlic is to protect me from the lawyer 1425% 1426<fzZzy> Yay! Advertising: Internal Server Error 1427<fzZzy> my favorite kind of advertising 1428% 1429<glyph> well, well, well. 1430<glyph> it worked. 1431<glyph> My desk is in the correct position. 1432<glyph> My internet is on. 1433<dash> glyph: GENERATE REVENUE 1434% 1435<exarkun> rt: we could do with an out of control suicide rate 1436<rt> unless you're willing to lead the way, I wouldn't go making that 1437 recommendation. 1438<exarkun> rt: I would, but if I hurl people off a cliff, it's murder, not 1439 suicide. 1440% 1441<itamar> why isn't my mac shipping :( 1442<MFen> they ran out of candy canes and gumdrops 1443% 1444<raph> of course, from a mathematical point of view, "working" and "IMAP" are probably incompatible concepts 1445% 1446<moshez> dance dance EVIL revolution 1447<moshez> this is a game I will invent 1448<moshez> it's like DDR 1449<moshez> except on HEADS 1450<moshez> hahahaah evil 1451% 1452<ivan> why the *fuck* do we have 2.4ghz devices everywhere when water resonates at 2.4ghz and we're 90% water? 1453<ivan> is this a conspiracy theory to kill us all? 1454<exarkun> yes, ivan. 1455<exarkun> very clever. 1456<exarkun> you've found them out. 1457<exarkun> you realize you've killed us all, I hope? 1458% 1459<Acapnotic> I have a problem with edonkey though, and that is that I get hypnotized by the many parallel download meters 1460<Acapnotic> one time I spent three days without eating, sleeping, or coding, just looking at the little progress meters and watching clients connect and disconnect and whatnot 1461% 1462<saph_w> dash: how are you? 1463<dash> saph_w: better than i deserve 1464% 1465<dash> time to get my abstracti on 1466% 1467<radix> PHP doesn't have interfaces, it has REIFIED PAIN 1468% 1469<itamar> if I ever write a novel 1470<itamar> the chapters will start with quotes from the quotefile 1471% 1472<exarkun> my knowledge is exceeded only by good looks and success with the ladies 1473<dash> exarkun: easy to believe 1474<dash> they wouldn't have far to go 1475% 1476<headh> where python stores its modules? 1477<exarkun> internet 1478<exarkun> the modules roam free in the valley of IP 1479<exarkun> just beyond the IANA peaks and the black chasm of the IETF 1480% 1481<lament> Listening to your heart? Pfft 1482<lament> it's boring 1483<lament> thud thud, thud thud 1484<lament> and it's always the same beat 1485<lament> it's not like it goes boom -kachink-chakachaka-boom! 1486% 1487<hypatia> Oh well, as long as they aren't rapping in Andunaic... 1488<dash> hypatia: actually 1489<dash> hypatia: that would be kinda cool. 1490<hypatia> dash: Impressive too, considering how small the known vocabulary is. 1491<hypatia> Quenya or Sindarin would be doable. 1492<hypatia> As long as you like rapping primarily about flowers, natural beauty and grief. 1493% 1494<slyphon> what is Andunaic? 1495<dash> slyphon: Adnaic is the language of Numenor. 1496<slyphon> dash: is that in south-east-asia? 1497% 1498<hypatia> The Noldor don't strike me as a very goth people, but, you know, maybe they've gotten with the times. 1499<moshez> hypatia: like vampires, elves don't change 1500<hypatia> moshez: They fade though. That's pretty goth. 1501% 1502<exarkun> "packaged" doesn't mean easy to install or configure 1503<exarkun> it means "comes in a pretty box carried by a guy in a $800 suit" 1504% 1505<glyph> I agree that it would be huge amounts of fun to watch monkeys in $800 suits carrying big shiny boxes that say Twisted do a complicated ballet to the tune of "Money, Money, Money", so if you want to fund it, please send me the video tape 1506% 1507<parks> ill take ASN.1 over XML any day 1508<dash> parks: why? 1509<parks> blind bigoted hatred 1510% 1511<itamar> exarkun: does it do screenshots of empty landscapes? 1512<itamar> if not it is NOT BEGUN 1513% 1514<dash> exarkun: radix is ruined for life i guess 1515<radix> no! 1516<radix> i will experience WONDROUS JOY for the rest of my life 1517<exarkun> radix: of course you will 1518<exarkun> you're only ruined from the perspective of sane people 1519% 1520<moshez> fuckin' jew 1521<slyphon> moshez: i think they like to be called 'the messiah-challenged' these days 1522% 1523<cherub> yay Unspeakable Algebra 1524<cherub> I assume the geometry associated with all of this involves strange many-dimensional paralleltopes which are an affront to reason, and through the corners of which unknowable evil seeps into our plane of existance 1525% 1526<fzZzy> hmm. what happens if an interface inherits from another interface, and I try to adapt an object which declares it implements the subclass to the base class interface? 1527<Jerub> the spacetime continuum will shatter, leaving only remnants of the previous inheritance tree to forge out an existance in the rubble of a former great civilisation. 1528% 1529<glyph> moshez: Your interpretation of the human condition is, as always, colorful and, as always, wrong :) 1530% 1531<moshez> glyph: I'm always polite 1532% 1533<z3p> what is a good way to debug crazy errors in C modules? 1534<Jerub> z3p: find -name "*.c" -exec rm {} \; 1535% 1536<Jerub> extremists make middle ground exist. 1537<glyph> Jerub: sometimes they salt the earth as they pass over the middle ground ;-) 1538% 1539<gt3> i took a 2 month coding vacation and went soul searching 1540<gt3> i collected a lot of souls.. 1541<dash> gt3: cool. what are you going to do with them? 1542<gt3> sell em on ebay 1543% 1544<dash> whoa 1545<dash> the mexican-flag thingy works like the editors at BYTE used to! 1546% 1547<radix> "promgrenades"?! 1548<radix> that sounds like some terrorist weapon that a high schooler thought up 1549% 1550<chrchr> see man mount. see spot run. 1551<slyphon> chrchr: as long as we don't see "man mount spot" 1552% 1553<radix> exarkun: I am skeptical. 1554<exarkun> radix: Go skeptate elsewhere! 1555<exarkun> radix: You're harshing my buzz. 1556% 1557<PenguinOfDoom> And the app sucks. 1558<exarkun> what do I care if the app sucks! 1559<PenguinOfDoom> Running sucky apps diminishes honor of your mother. 1560% 1561<teratorn> everything tastes better with a little internet 1562% 1563<slyphon> do you know what guido said about why python didn't have an optimizing native code compiler? 1564<radix> he said "i like meatloaf" 1565% 1566<fzZzy> why is the king in yellow paperback 20 bucks :( 1567<glyph> fzZzy: I *seriously* hope you mean "The Yellow Sign" or something 1568<glyph> fzZzy: if you found an actual copy of The King in Yellow, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE 1569% 1570<radix> haha! fear my bamboo stick 1571<radix> thwap! swip! donk! 1572<itamar> donk? 1573<radix> itamar: yeah. stabbing in the forehead with a bamboo stick makes that sound. 1574% 1575<dash> exarkun: CULTURAL OSMOSIS 1576<Glammie> Perhaps the expression has percolated throughout a variety of social media without retaining the tag of its orig 1577<Glammie> dash, jesus christ.. I just typed a whole sentence, and you say the same damn thing in 2 words. Damn you for your conciseness! 1578<dash> Glammie: PERSPICACITY WOO 1579% 1580<glyph> fzZzy: It always starts with one harmless little branch tag, and pretty soon, you've got a revision in each hand, and you're snorting crushed revisions off the ass of a 12 year old boy you call "revision" 1581% 1582<MFen> i swear to god c programmers must do #include <buffer_overflow.h> 1583* MFen upgrades his servers. again. hooray debian 1584<exarkun> MFen: yes! except it's spelled <string.h> 1585<exarkun> i think it's short for "... long embarassing string of security vulnerabilities ..." 1586% 1587<saph_w> i think buildbot should be renamed vlad 1588<saph_w> and be given scripts to talk about makeout sessions it's had 1589% 1590<exarkun> all twisted has in the way of ipv6 support is Twisted/sandbox/exarkun/ipv6.py 1591<exarkun> Which someone should rewrite as an internet newapp service and drop in a more useful location 1592<glyph> exarkun: hum 1593<glyph> exarkun: I suppose we should take our lead from DNS 1594<glyph> exarkun: and add a function to the reactor called 1595<glyph> listenTCPTCPTCPTCP 1596% 1597<moshez> we can program in morse code 1598<dash> moshez: will you release it under an Open Morse license?!@ 1599% 1600<mesozoic> fzZzy: uh... when you click "Read Next Message", and the entire things refreshes using JavaScript instead of simply opening another page, I think you're adding unneeded layers of complexity. 1601<fzZzy> mesozoic: that's awesome! 1602% 1603<mesozoic> fzZzy: it was the way the whole thing tied together. It was like GOTO graduated and became a design methodism for web applications. 1604<fzZzy> there is no design methodology for web applications! that's the best part 1605% 1606<tenbytes> fag 1607<dash> this channel is made of LOVE AND PEACE!! 1608<tenbytes> oh 1609% 1610<glyph> dash: Well, I'll give you a hint. A certain UNIX vendor is going cross-country with an advertising campaign, and warner says he hasn't "been physically ejected from a conference in ages" 1611 -- warner and glyph plan a visit to a SCO Q&A session 1612% 1613<MFen> huh. microsoft has a license _compiler_ 1614<MFen> i guess you need special tools to inject a program with pure evil 1615% 1616<blanu> The waste sub-project was/is going to be IRC over Chord basically. 1617<arma> will it be "invisible"? will it have a "2" in the name? 1618<blanu> Doubtful. 1619<blanu> It will probably be rolled in crispy crust of crack though. 1620% 1621<blanu> I figure if you're going to write a new chat system, you might as well be mostly insane about it. 1622<blanu> Since it's doomed anyway. 1623<arma> will it be deniable, at least? 1624<blanu> No, I plan to take full responsibility for writing it even if it's silly. After all I wrote IRC over Freenet. 1625% 1626<glyph> I want PB to be a service to rival HTTP, which means that it needs to be able to *do something* when you just type "pb.blahblah.com" and then slather enough drool on the enter key to depress it 1627% 1628* slyphon has a roomate (best friend from high school) that is going for a degree in being a lazy no-job having mooch 1629<slyphon> but in a loveable way 1630% 1631<nazca> can anyone think of a good method of pursuding my college network admin that installing python and twisted on to the application server would be a Good Idea (tm) 1632<radix> nazca: well, why do you need it? :) 1633<nazca> i need it for working on software projects that eat more time than the college course ;) i'm not telling them that or they'll give me more work 1634% 1635<saph> YES I AM A FEMALE 1636<saph> FEAR MY BOOBIE POWER 1637% 1638<grib> don't worry, I have a pentagram around my Aeron 1639% 1640--> orangecat has joined #twisted 1641<orangecat> I was just on my way to the bar to pick up some internet 1642 and wondered if everyone had enough enterprise. No facilitated 1643 client-based XML quality vector refills? Budweiser? 1644<-- orangecat has left #twisted 1645% 1646<etrepum> what are we plotting? 1647<dash> etrepum: world domination 1648% 1649<raph> imagine how many fewer problems we'd have if everybody on the planet was an asynchronous network protocol programmer 1650<clausen> raph: I think everyone would starve :p 1651% 1652