1<kiko> I had a friend who started accessing objects concurrently 2<kiko> he ended up in rehab with a triple X tatooed on his face 3% 4<moshez> glyph is the leerless feeder! 5% 6<exarkun> I'll go add <br> tags at the end of every line 7<exarkun> I think that is how you add spaces to HTML 8% 9<Artimage> I believe a bar chart can confirm my humanity. 10% 11<radix> moshez: you are very nice to me, and girls in general 12% 13<radix> naked naked naked 14% 15<dhess> has anyone written a blog application server in twisted? 16<dhess> i'm tempted to use plone but it's a little overly complicated for my needs 17<exarkun> heh heh 18* exarkun throws himself off a cliff 19% 20<itamar> that was a wasted 30 minutes 21* itamar curses tenth's halloween special 22% 23<exarkun> stay the hell away from my corpse 24% 25<glyph> amiaaaaornot.com 26 [the ipv6 equivalent of 'whatsmyip.com' -ed] 27% 28<coderman> i think blanu disappeared 29<GabeW> wow 30<GabeW> does he have the ring? 31<coderman> is that a euphamism for the clap? 32<wmf> somehow I don't see AaronSw getting the clap 33<coderman> did aaron and blanu go somewhere? there is probably a big conference going on that im blissfuly clueless about like usual 34<GabeW> coderman: is this how blanu and AaronSw got the clap? 35% 36<exarkun> it is hard not to think I am FUCKING INSANELY AWESOME when everything I do turns out so amazingly well 37% 38<slyphon> YAY SEGFAULTING! 39* PenguinOfDoom is continually amazed at how a segfault is such a joyful occurence for Python programmers. 40<itamar> PenguinOfDoom: it is somewhat like seeing someone levitating and then kicking you in the face 41<itamar> it hurts, but at the same time you are distracted by the violation of your concept of reality 42% 43<moshez> pfote: anthopomorphising is the most powerful weapon in the fight against complexity 44<glyph> moshez: don't you mean "anthropomorphism is the most powerful warrior in the fight against complexity"? :) 45<MFen> i prefer to simianize 46% 47<moshez> glyph: I see your problem 48<moshez> glyph: you are trying to do impossible things 49<dash> moshez: nothing else is interesting 50<moshez> dash: perhaps! but impossible things are notoriously hard 51% 52<phed> symbiont: you spot the flamewars as those neverending staircases of posts. and those who say something not flameable, as those with one or none replies. 53<phed> at the end of the staircase, hitler is mentioned. 54<symbiont> yes, hitler is always a component of flamewars 55<symbiont> can we encapsulate hitler in an xml document? 56<slyphon> he'll make sure all of your documents are only in pure german 57<symbiont> achtung baby! 58<slyphon> you could use it for mail, but then you'd just hear the chant over and over... 59<slyphon> "SIG!" 60<slyphon> "FILE!" 61<slyphon> "SIG!" 62<slyphon> "FILE!" 63% 64<SamB> they should label crap "tragedy" 65<saph_w> no, they should label crap "crap" 66% 67* aum sits back while mnet builds the kitchen sink, the earth, the heavens, the beasts of the land and the fowls of the air 68% 69<anthony> anyone that would give out sexual favours to get access to an imap server... sheesh. 70% 71<tmcvs> Commit from sjj (changed 2) in 2 subdirs of Twisted: "add copyright info" msn_example.py, test_msn.py 72<sjj> Now all I have to do is wait for them to deport glyph to syria. 73% 74<ilikewine> that mp3 sounds like that band is from williamsburg 75<ilikewine> its an awful place 76<ilikewine> where everybody wears stripes 77% 78<saph> i think the same drunken circus bears who taught radix to type taught him to drive 79% 80<moshez> exarkun: the user can win by setting ulimit 81<moshez> exarkun: haha you lose 82<exarkun> Uh 83<exarkun> The goal is not to defeat the user. 84<moshez> exarkun: what kind of screwed up software do you write? 85% 86<radix> PenguinOfDoom: *you're* a jew too? goddamnit 87<radix> what is up with you people 88<PenguinOfDoom> radix: Only a halfjew! 89<PenguinOfDoom> radix: I get +5 racial bonus to antisemitism. 90<PenguinOfDoom> radix: It's like half-elves and whatever they do best, archery or something. 91% 92<radix> someone should do a statistical analysis of the religions of Twisted developers 93<exarkun> Doesn't that cvs stats tool emit a graph for that? 94<exarkun> It should 95% 96<fzZzy> do not stare into the xhtml 97<kwaker> it will make my eyes to pop 98<kwaker> and my wife to leave me 99<kwaker> and my hard drive to burn in flames 100<fzZzy> yes 101% 102<exarkun> Nagle is a little gnome who ships inside every TCP stack 103<exarkun> He grabs your sockets and squeezes them 104<exarkun> So the bits can't fit through 105<exarkun> Later, he lets go 106<exarkun> Turning off TCP_NODELAY hits Nagle with a sledge hammer. 107<exarkun> While he's unconscious, no one does the job of squeezing your sockets. 108% 109<PenguinOfDoom> dash left me! 110<PenguinOfDoom> aaaaaaaa 111<itamar> PenguinOfDoom: there will be other men 112* PenguinOfDoom hits itamar with a brick. 113% 114<saph_w> moshe: telling friends to read /. is like telling friends to go to radio shack 115% 116<slyphon> spiv: hey look, if i had to maintain that crap ass protocol i'd be slacking too 117* slyphon suddenly has a horrible moment of clarity 118% 119<frankie> smile! you are on-line at linux-day in italy!!! 120<frankie> say something nice, plz :) 121<aj> hello, this is the Debian Release Manager, please, please 122 try a different distro! (arrrggh, the pressure, the pressure!) 123% 124<PenguinOfDoom> exarkun: I have a desire to rearrange your internal organs in the way you rearrange words. 125<saph> PoD: please keep his kidneys out of his nose 126<PenguinOfDoom> saph: Why? 127<saph> PoD: because i don't want to have to explain it in the holiday cards! 128<PenguinOfDoom> saph: Okay. 129% 130<zooko> I think there should be a "maybe" button next to "ok", "cancel" in all dialogs. 131<zooko> [okay] [cancel] [I'm not sure] 132<LotR> and the dialog would vanish and then reappear? 133<zooko> I'm not sure. 134% 135<danfaust> What makes you a Superjew? Pork bounces off your chest? 136[See http://www.timeoutny.com/427.cover.html -ed] 137% 138<jml> It is like wandering through the desert, for weeks, without a 139drop of water, but knowing that there is an oasis ahead. And all the 140time, I am being stabbed in the face with a blunt spoon by a flatulent 141person. 142 -- jml describes PHP, after using nevow 143% 144<crw> don't talk to teachers when you first wake up, it floods back all the crap you had to do in school. 145<crw> and if the conversation begins with "i'll give you three guesses to figure out who this is", just hang up on them and go back to sleep. :P 146% 147<gus> "Je suis en train d'avoir les presqu'impossibles du travail" 148<gus> it means I CAN'T CONCENTRATE ON MY RESEARCH 149% 150<MFen> give me correctness or give me death 151<glyph> MFen: I wouldn't say that, standing so close to a windows machine. 152% 153<PenguinOfDoom> Grr. Python saps my will to write software. Anything I'd want to write is either boring, impossible or already written. 154% 155<AccorDNGuy> You know, my academic career would've been more interesting if I'd answered my exams with porn stories. 156<AccorDNGuy> "Explain AVL Trees." "Winer undid his zipper, casting a longing glance at Dvorak, who returned his smouldering gaze. There was going to be some serious pole-smoking tonight." 157% 158<dash> radix: are you jewish yet? 159<radix> dash: Not yet 160<dash> radix: me neither! what's taking so long 161% 162<slyphon> then I'm the happiest loser in the phone book! 163% 164* lebowski was talking to a guy in the pub the other night who once got stopped by a gang in NI 165<lebowski> "Are you a catholic or a protestant?" they asked 166<lebowski> "Er... neither, I'm an athiest" 167<lebowski> "... Aye, but are you a catholic athiest or a protestant atheist?" 168% 169<maciej> wow. Spam with ex-girlfriend's name. 170<maciej> that extra little twist-o-the-knife 171<maciej> "my ex is suddenly writing.... and she wants to increase my WHAT?" 172% 173<lapsly> dash has the coolest hat 174<lapsly> he looked like a pimp walkin around chinatown 175% 176<maciej> I like to save my timidity for actual human interaction, where it belongs 177% 178<exarkun> usecrack: --compiler 179% 180<slyphon> has anyone thought about a squid-like caching-proxy server thingy for twisted? 181<`anthony> slyphon: what, hideously complex, consuming enormous amounts of resources, and buggy as fuck? Not particularly. 182<`anthony> Or do you mean instead slimy with long tentacles 183% 184<maciej> I almost took my cat to the vet for a strange skin condition before my girlfriend reminded me cats are mammals 185% 186<itamar> sex is not digital, it is analog 187% 188 * warner wishes for the zillionth time that he could just grep his closet 189% 190<dash> isn't it cute? 191<spiv> dash: Cute like a baby choking on an ice-cream cone that's been rammed down it's throat. 192<dash> spiv: "frees up your hands from holding the ice cream cone, but leaves the bottom soggy"? 193% 194<itamar> is there a libmandelbrot? 195<exarkun> itamar: people who write re-usable software don't spend years hand-tuning a 6 instruction inner loop! 196<exarkun> And vice versa 197% 198<shawn> the highest calling of technical book writers is to destroy the sun 199% 200<hypatia> Why does dirdbm exist, exactly? 201<spiv> hypatia: Because glyph is trigger-happy when it comes to writing persistence systems. 202<spiv> "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a persistence system out of my hat!" 203<spiv> "But that trick never works!" 204<spiv> "This time for *sure*!" 205% 206<_joshua> From what I can tell, there are two kinds of interviewers: ones that ask a bunch of silly questions, you answer them, they take one bad quote and make you look bad 207<_joshua> and the other ones that engage in a long dialogue, discuss back and forth, really understand what's going on 208<_joshua> and then take one bad quote and make you look bad 209% 210<exarkun> today's lesson 211<exarkun> don't strace X in an xterm 212% 213<glyph> exarkun: any thoughts on what to do about actions having consequences? 214% 215<Pahan> glyph: I have no time for your Zen crap! I have hardware to burn. 216% 217<symbiont> been doing industrial C for three years 218<slyphon> wow 219<slyphon> i learned python about 2 years ago and all of my C skillz have left me 220<symbiont> yeah, it's all a hack 221% 222<saph> dash: when did you get a day job 223<saph> dash: i thought you just taught dancing and sold trinkets as part of a band of traveling cyber gypsies 224<dash> i only teach dancing to beautiful women 225<dash> for free 226% 227<_joshua> perhaps we could have some sort of sacrificial goat technology where people decide collectively that someone absolutely must get laid 228<tangra> for the good of the state 229<tangra> kind of like the draft lottery 230% 231<itamar> jml: the Sex Pistols have no songs about Hillary Clinton 232<jml> itamar: an unfortunate accident of history 233% 234<dash> Demoscene? wasn't he a greek philosopher 235% 236<slyphon> dammit! my upstream just sucks 237<slyphon> 20 kb/sec! 238<slyphon> if i'm lucky! 239<exarkun> install an optimization 240<slyphon> how? 241<slyphon> ifconfig eth0 --don't-suck-upstream up?? 242% 243<radix> I bit my finger 244<exarkun> radix: Yay 245<radix> and it hurt real bad 246<Riastradh> radix, um, why did you bite your finger? 247<radix> Cuz it was holding a waffle 248<exarkun> radix: Hahaha 249<radix> :( 250<exarkun> radix: Awesome 251<radix> I bit it really, really hard 252<Riastradh> radix, does your finger really look that much like a waffle that you bit your finger instead of the waffle? 253<radix> I had to lie down afterwards 254<radix> Riastradh: no, i wasn't looking at it at the time 255<radix> Riastradh: I was busy stuffing it into my mouth 256% 257<itamar> glyph: did you see the multiplayer go written with twisted? 258<exarkun> itamar: *massively* multiplayer! 259<itamar> yeah right 260<itamar> only like three people in the whole world play Go 261% 262<exarkun> I mean, uh, her character has many unresolved personal issues that she projects onto other people around her without reason. 263<glyph> exarkun: that sounds like pretty much all TV people 264<exarkun> Gumby never took out his unresolved personal issues on Pokey 265<glyph> you don't think so? 266<glyph> I thought that Pokey's whole _life_ was gumby's unresolved personal issues 267<glyph> like this memorable sequence: 268<exarkun> Well, they were always friendly enough on camera 269<glyph> gumby: HAHA STUPID QUADRUPED 270<glyph> pokey: shut up! I hate you! 271<glyph> gumby: FOUR LEGS FOUR LEGS, WHERE ARE YOUR HANDS HAHA 272<exarkun> glyph: I think I missed that episode. 273<glyph> pokey: one day you will be hurt by someone close to you the same way! 274<dash> exarkun: i think glyph watched tv in an alternate universe 275<exarkun> dash: That seems likely! 276<glyph> exarkun: it was right before pokey got a cameo on NYPD Blue 277% 278<slyphon> but then again my temple is so reform it's called "Our Lady of the Immaculate Livingroom" 279% 280<mcunixjr> i was sitting downstairs, and my 2.5 yr old was sitting next to me, she has the Flu, 102 temp 281<mcunixjr> she turns to me and says "i dont feel good" 282<mcunixjr> and at the last word, out came dinner 283<mcunixjr> onto my lap 284<mcunixjr> and onto my Powerbook 12" 285% 286--> foom (~jknight@128.52.220.152) has joined #twisted 287<-- Moof (~moof@horus.kaotix.co.uk) has left #twisted 288% 289<maciej> Poles are wondering why they are paying millions of $$ out of pocket to occupy Iraq on behalf of the US, and not seeing the slightest benefit 290<markp> i believe the benefit is that we'll bump you down a few notches on the list of "countries we'll invade next" 291<brkchrmr> Doesn't Poland get a +5 to be invaded on every roll? ;) 292% 293<MFen> i'm sorry, but does this scream DANGER DANGER WARNING to you? "e" 294<MFen> no it does not. but a big floating eyeball does! 295<exarkun> MFen: you obviously lack an adventurers keen senses! 296<exarkun> "e" strikes the deepest terror into my heart. 297% 298<exarkun> speak of the devil 299<moshez> exarkun: froor 300<exarkun> not you 301% 302<jml> are there any really really good wysiwyg (or close) HTML editors? 303<jml> I mean, amazingly good, XHTML-spewing editors. 304<radix> hahaha!@!@!R!A@!@!@!@!@!#@$!#* 305>>> radix stabs software 306<jml> radix: a man can dream 307<radix> jml: your question fills me with burning rage 308<jml> radix: why is this? 309<radix> jml: i hate web 310<Jerub> radix: you are in #twisted.web 311<radix> Jerub: yes 312<radix> Jerub: that is why I am FULL OF RAGE 313% 314<KevinMarks> 'Our series A round is to help us build out the Other Plane; look at the returns possible once we transcend the mortal universe' 315% 316<maciej> It strikes me that Cthulhu can only effect change by altering the order things are eaten in 317<maciej> just like Alan Greenspan can only raise or lower interest rates 318% 319* Suw has never seen a wall mounted cat. 320<maciej> Suw: give me ten minutes and a stapler and I'll show you 321<Suw> maciej: like to see you try that trick with Fflwff 322<maciej> twenty minutes and a staple gun 323<Suw> maciej: you haven't seen her claws... 324<maciej> thirty minutes, asbestos gloves, and a hydraulic nail gun 325<Suw> maciej: asbestos gloves? that would never cut it. she'd be at your jugular before you could say 'argh'. 326<maciej> forty minutes, a torniquet, and a double-wide roll of duct tape 327<Suw> maciej: she's way too slippery for that. 328<maciej> fifty minutes and a large sheet of Velcro 329<Suw> maciej: ok, that might work 330% 331<Nafai> Sheesh. Why is downloading stuff so hard? 332<exarkun> try typing in real credit card numbers 333% 334<saph_b> radix: minnesotans invented the frozen pizza 335<radix> saph_b: i love minnesotans 336% 337<exarkun> Dang 338<exarkun> A channel even more fascist than #python 339<exarkun> == kick exarkun off #hurd by neal (Rule #1 of 1: no nodding) 340% 341<ivan> i'm almost done rewriting python in python 342<ivan> i can't believe it took those pypy guys years 343% 344<REDROBOT> MEET MY SECOND COUSIN 'ONHOLDTONE' 345% 346<`anthony> I think I shall refer to Guido as "Tallest" from now on. 347<`anthony> I'm not sure who Zim would be. Maybe Ping. 348[Referring to http://pycon.org/images/mastheadphohtos2.jpg] 349% 350<radix> code is for grunts, not software architects 351<jml> architects are merely coders without keyboards 352<radix> yes, lacking keyboards is a sign of prestige 353* jml throws his keyboard at radix 354<jml> I am prestigous 355% 356<exarkun> I have a gig of ram, after all 357<exarkun> and other people are below my threshhold of attention 358% 359<mingus> pynfo: kick exarkun for abuse of power 360<pynfo> You aren't allowed to do that. 361% 362<PenguinOfDoom> So wait, oekaki is also some stupid Java applet that crashes 363 and stuff, right? 364<PenguinOfDoom> I think it probably has builtin tools for drawing anime boobs. 365% 366